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Could the Baywatch campaign be supporting and advocating discrimination against disabled people, Helen Dolphin asks

ASDAFor nearly ten years Disability Now magazine along with Mobilise and the British Polio Fellowship have run the Baywatch campaign. Its aim being to encourage supermarkets to issue parking tickets to non Blue Badge holders parking in disabled bays. The campaign has been a great success and now most supermarkets employ private parking companies to manage their car parks and parking abuse has been reduced.

However, I was somewhat surprised to read recently on a number of parking discussion forums and on the Disability Now website that not everyone supports the aims of Baywatch and some people even questioned whether or not it is lawful for the Blue Badge scheme to be used in private car parks. One person even went as far as to say: “To limit disabled spaces to Blue Badge holders is a breach of the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) because it discriminates against disabled people who do not have a Blue Badge.” Another user wrote that by running Baywatch we are “in effect supporting and advocating discrimination against people with disabilities”.
These are really quite damning criticisms and if they were true then it would pretty much prevent car park operators from keeping their disabled bays free from abuse and the work of Baywatch would be redundant.

Will Bee who works as a disability consultant and led on transport issues for the Disability Rights Commission says the views of the forum users are misguided. “They are correct that operators of car parks are under no obligation to recognise the Blue Badge but many choose to do so in order to meet their obligations under the Equality Act 2010 (Disability Discrimination Act up until 30 September).

So car park operators are not operating an “unlawful scheme”. They are in fact meeting their obligations under the Equality Act which states that providers of services to the public are required to make ‘reasonable adjustments’ to remove barriers which may discriminate against disabled people. Therefore where a supermarket provides a car park, “reasonable adjustments” to prevent discrimination are likely to include parking spaces near to the entrance for those disabled people whose mobility is impaired to the degree that it would otherwise be difficult for them to access the store.

However, another of the criticisms from the forum users is that a Blue Badge is not issued to all disabled people so by asking for a Blue Badge this is discrimination. Will Bee says that this is in fact incorrect. “A reasonable adjustment is intended to remove barriers which discriminate against disabled people. But not all disabled people face the same barriers. It is those people who have mobility problems who need dedicated parking provision. Parking operators need a way to identify those people who need the spaces. The Blue Badge is a long-standing and well respected national scheme to identify disabled people who need special parking provision. It would appear to be entirely reasonable for car park operators to adopt it as the way to decide who should have access to the dedicated parking spaces.”

Undoubtedly there are some disabled people who do not qualify for a Blue Badge who have mobility problems. However, Will Bee does not think they would be successful if they mounted a claim for disability discrimination by a car park operator which limited access to its accessible spaces to Blue Badge holders. “They would have to convince the Court that by adopting the scheme the car park operator was behaving unreasonably. I find it difficult to conceive that such an action would succeed.”

Car park operators are also at risk of an Equality Act claim if they don’t discourage abuse of the accessible spaces. This means that they need to ensure that the spaces are only used by people who need them. So it seems the work of Baywatch is not redundant but more important than ever in ensuring supermarkets provide accessible bays and employ parking companies to monitor them.

will-bee.co.uk

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by David Cronan at 28 Oct 10 17:12
So no mention then of the parking company called UKCPS who are "co-operating" with Mobilise in this scheme. This is the parking company that punishes blue-badge holders when they make simple mistakes such as forgetting to display the badge, or leaving it on the seat. When these motorists "appeal" it's always turned down. If they refuse to pay they are then threatened by a debt-collection company called "Court Proceedings Ltd.", which has nothing to do with the court system.

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by confuseddotcom at 28 Oct 10 20:02
So Helen writes a piece regarding whether it is right to ask for a blue badge to say you are disabled when parking in a private car park and you write a reply about private parking companies issuing tickets???

As far as I can read the piece had nothing to do with that at all.

That can only mean that you must be in agreement about having to show a blue badge in private car parks to confirm you can park in the allocated bays.

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by David Cronan at 28 Oct 10 20:27
I wrote that because Mobilise seem content to get into bed with a private parking company that likes to rip-off disabled drivers who make simple mistakes, and then frighten them with debt collectors.

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by confuseddotcom at 28 Oct 10 20:36
Then instead of writing things like that why don't you ring Helen up and have a chat about the whys and wherefores of why they are doing it?

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by David Cronan at 28 Oct 10 21:03
I have emailed here several times about this but she refuses to answer these points. She also has been invited to join the Money Saving Expert discussion forum to put her point of view but, although she admits to reading the forum, will not join in the discussion.

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by confuseddotcom at 28 Oct 10 21:12
Hmmm, surely thats even more reason to ring her up then?

Blue Badge argie-bargie

Posted by David Cronan at 28 Oct 10 21:18
Would that do any good? She could equally well answer my emails.

So what do you think of Mobilises association with a parking company that seems to set out to frighten disabled drivers who have made simple mistakes. Mobilise seems to more on the side of the parking company, than that of disabled drivers.

Contacting Helen

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:27
She is unwilling to respond is why not discuss it with her on the phone. Presumably she is happy so long as the money is rolling in and Disabled people are being scammed so she can pay to run her own car.

Facebook group and invitation to Helen

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:22
Facebook group against Mobilise working with private parking companies and being complicit in the scamming of disabled people http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=146057145420931

Helen please come and respond in person. If you're so sure of your beliefs you have nothing to worry about, do you?! Unless of course you realise you're scamming disabled people and profiting from it.

Link for Helen to respond on

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:22
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2632653

HTML clickable link test

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:25
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=146057145420931">Facebook Group</a>

<a href="http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2632653">Link for Helen to reply in person</a>

A message for disabled car parkers who have been given a charge notice

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:36
Please see the forums at consumer action group, money saving expert, and pepipoo. Do NOT pay, do NOT appeal, do NOT contact, and if by some error or omission you did appeal, do NOT accept the offer of membership with Mobilise. It is highly unlikely you will be taken to court, but if you are you will win with a proper defense (see above websites). I would also urge people to not become members of the Mobilise charity due to their association with PPC's and the scamming of blue badge holders involved. The less money for a scamming charity the better.

Is the Blue Badge Scheme really fair?

Posted by Brian Fields at 28 Oct 10 22:50
My partner has suffered from ME for over three and a half years. She can walk but is limited by a lack of stamina - some days are far worse than others. She is classed as "disabled" under the Disability Discrimination Act but has now been refused a blue badge twice because we don't get the additional mobility portion of DLA and her ME is not classed as a permanent disability because it can fluctuates apparently (not much I might add). A trip to the supermarket has to be planned carefully because we have to take a neighbour with us to help especially as we cannot use the blue badge spaces. We either unload outside the door and cause a queue (she moves quite slowly) or chance getting a space close to the doors. The parking company have already charged us £80 once because I had to leave room for the passenger door to open wide and parked over the white line - even though it was on the end of a row. If we could have used a disabled space this wouldn't be a prolem because the spaces are wide enough but because we haven't a blue badge we can't. The stupid thing is that the car park warden went and got us a wheelchair last time so he must think she's disabled! I have spoken to the store manager and although he's sympathetic we haven't got a blue badge and that's an end of it. I agree there is some abuse of disabled spaces but in our supermarket there are 37 dsiabled spaces and I've never seen more than a dozen being used. Is this fair and what is the difference between a disabled person with a blue badge and a disabled person without one? There still both disabled.

It is not fair no

Posted by Dis Gusted at 28 Oct 10 22:56
Recommend using the disabled bays if you need to and ignoring the charges, as the charges are not legally enforceable. As mentioned above it is unreasonable for the Private Parking Companies to demand you have a blue badge or charge you £80. They would not win a case against you in court. If you have any doubts come on over to consumer action group, money saving expert, or pepipoo website forums and seeing how many people are not paying and ignoring the threatening letters, and how few are complaining of court cases - but how nearly all of the ones that actually go to court the company loses.

Misquoted!

Posted by FB at 29 Oct 10 17:25
As the person that is quoted as posting:

Another user wrote that by running Baywatch we are “in effect supporting and advocating discrimination against people with disabilities”

I must stress that the part in quotes is correct but I was not referring to the Baywatch scheme - I have never posted anything about the Baywatch scheme. This change of context means I have to doubt the entire accuracy of the rest of the article.

I guess that someone that cannot get their facts right probably can't be bothered to get their quotes right either.

Contradiction

Posted by FB at 30 Oct 10 08:40
Helen Dolphin works for Mobilise.

The front page of the Mobilise website states "Mobilise is the campaigning charity for disabled motorists, passengers and Blue Badge holders."

If Mobilise can see that disabled motorists, passengers and Blue Badge holders ARE NOT one and the same thing, why can't Helen Dolphin see this?

Sadly she seems to be too busy getting into deals with companies with names that could make them sound official (UKCPS are nothing to do with the Crown Prosecution Service) to notice this contradiction.

Misleading Names

Posted by David Cronan at 30 Oct 10 10:37
And don't forget the equally misleading name of the debt-collection agency used UKCPS. They call themselves "Court Proceedings Ltd." Many would say that the name is deliberately chosen to fool people into thinking that they are dealing with some sort of an official organization, instead of a two-bit company that operates out of an accommodation address in London. Tell us Helen, are you proud that Mobilise are getting involved in these sorts of companies?